Crafting a Life of Resilience and Divine Purpose in Business with Daniel Wilgenbush

Summary

Daniel Wilgenbush shares his journey in business and the importance of aligning with one's purpose and identity. He emphasizes the role of faith in his life and how it has transformed his perspective and led to miracles. Daniel highlights the significance of expectation and faith in experiencing breakthroughs and encourages believers to influence the world through their businesses and spheres of influence.

Takeaways

• Discovering and aligning with one's purpose is essential for personal and professional fulfillment.
• Faith plays a crucial role in experiencing miracles and transformation in all areas of life.
• Having expectation and faith in prayer can lead to breakthroughs and answered prayers.
• Believers are called to influence the world and make a difference through their businesses and spheres of influence.

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Background

00:54
Daniel's Journey in Business

06:00
The Importance of Knowing One's Identity

08:20
The Role of Faith in Daniel's Life

13:01
Faith and Purpose in the Marketplace

25:10
The Power of Expectation and Faith

30:20
The Role of Faith in Business

35:07
Influencing the World as Believers

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hello everyone and welcome to Voice Like a Lion podcast. I am your host, Stephen Pemberton, and today we have someone that we met randomly through Facebook Messenger, but we had one conversation and I knew that this was someone I wanted to have on the show, because he has so many great tidbits that you're going to be able to walk away with something that can radically transform your life. This is Daniel Wilgenbush. Daniel is Vival Group's lead strategist and strategist director. His experience and leadership mindset, team and sales development dates back to 2012, as he built three separate organizations across that span. So, Daniel, like I said, I'm going to keep the intro short because I want to just jump into the meat of it. How did you? Well, first off, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2: 0:45

Thank you, bro. Thanks for having me. Man, I'm honored to be on here with you. It's going to be a lot of fun, it's going to be powerful. We're going to have a good time.

Speaker 1: 0:51

Yes, I'm so excited to have you. I was going to start rolling, because there's so much I want to learn from you. That's why I love having great people like you on the show is I love to have the opportunity to learn. I get to hear an amazing story, because even just reading the little tidbit of the bio that I have over here is, I mean, going back to 2012,. Not going to lie, this is when I graduated high school, but you, you built three separate organizations across that span. What? From 2012 to 2022, how, what, what were those organizations? What did they look like?

Speaker 2: 1:21

Yeah, good question, man. Well, so I got out of high school, I went to college and it didn't take me being in college long to realize I am not where I'm supposed to be. I was like I remember I will never forget. I'm sitting in a marketing class and I'm literally like this guy doesn't know anything about business. He's reading out of the very book that I bought right, this textbook and I was like I just realized at a very young age, like you can't teach out of a book, you teach out of your life. And if I'm in a business class and you're sitting here trying to teach me about business and you don't know anything about business outside of what this book is teaching me, why do I need you? I have the book already.

Speaker 2: 1:59

And so, literally two weeks later, I dropped out of college and got into business, and so you know, it was kind of a fail forward type of mentality. I didn't know a lot about business. My dad owned a business for 29 years and extraordinary man. But you know, in 2008, 2009, I watched my family lose our business and, due to bankruptcy, we lost our house. We lost you know absolutely everything. And so when I got into business, it wasn't really out of a. You know, I was groomed for it. It was more out of like. I felt obligated to it, I felt a pull towards it, and so my first business was a online direct sales health and wellness business and I grew that organization over the course of a few years. I didn't really know a lot about business. I was learning as I went and I grew it to a few hundred people in my group and so ultimately, one day I got an email from that organization that the company was being shut down. I literally woke up one morning night before I had a business. Next morning company was shut down, lost everything, hundreds of people in my group and I was like jarred and so that was a few years. And then fast forward to so I was in 2015 that that happened and basically 2017 got back into business, started another organization, built that one up about a few hundred or a few hundred people in my team across you know three countries and like 27 states, and again, just just coaching, training, developing people, sales, training along the way. I've done you know other things top one in a multi-million dollar or multi-billion dollar company, travel all across the country. So I built a lot of skills, had a lot of experience, had some really cool success. And so, in this company, now wake up one morning and get another email company shut down. I'm like, dude, you are your kid. Yeah, I swear bro, it's insane. Could not believe it, dude. And so that was my second business. And then another organization I partnered with is a solar organization in San Diego doing door to door sales, and had some good success in that organization, you know, recruiting people and mostly, mostly on the sales side, and you know it was an extraordinary organization and that's a multi-billion dollar organization as well.

Speaker 2: 4:21

And long and short of that, I just got to a point where I was like I'm really good at this, but I just I'm having a hard time fully engaging with it. And the thing for me is I'm extremely purpose driven and you know money matters, but I need to be doing something that I can be emotionally engaged in, invested in. It's not enough to just make money for me. I want to do something that not only I love, but I want to do something that is actually making a difference for people. And when it came to solar, you know it was like I'm you know I'll help you save like 60 or $100,000 across the next 20, 25 years and that's cool. I'm not saying it's not a difference. It's just not the difference I want to make. I want to make a difference in people's life on, make a difference in people's business and their soul and their in their heart and their skill sets. I want to develop leaders and so that's how I ended up in the organization and now ViBall group as the lead strategist.

Speaker 2: 5:12

I didn't start as the lead strategist. I actually started as the company's first client and back in August 2020, I was the first client of this organization. They were a startup organization run by a good friend of mine and, long story short, basically was that a place where I was running two businesses at the time and newly married, serving in multiple areas in my church. Like working out Six days a week, like I was beyond maxed out in my capacity On paper was living an extraordinary life. I should have been happy, but it wasn't and I couldn't figure out why. Like on paper, bro, I was living like a dream, but internally there was, there was I was.

Speaker 2: 5:51

Honestly, it was pretty miserable and I didn't understand why until I hired ViBall group, my buddy Alex, who was the owner of the company, and he walked me through this, this process, over the subsequent four to six months, and there's so much to say, but the bottom line is this I just started to realize the reason I was so miserable was because I was completely out of alignment with my own identity, with who I was.

Speaker 2: 6:15

I didn't actually know who I was, I didn't know how I was created to be, and I was doing things that made sense on paper, but they were out of alignment with who I was made to be. And so fast forward probably eight, 12 months, 18 months or so got to a place where no-transcript where basically I was I said no to a bunch of things I was doing from that point, started weeding things out. I started making more money and ever made, had more responsibility than I ever had, more time than I ever had in my life, and I was on fire for what I was doing, and that was as a strategist within Bible Group, helping leaders and organizations scale their personal life and their business simultaneously, and so that's kind of what leads us to where we are right now. That's like the reader's digest of the last decade.

Speaker 1: 6:57

That's amazing. First and foremost, thank you for walking me through that and for walking all of us through that, because there's so much, there's so much you gave us. There's so many different questions that I have, but the one thing I wanted to say, because, as you were talking about it, you brought up purpose, and I think that purpose is such a fascinating word because most of the time, especially in today's day and age, what I've seen is I get text messages like this, I get DMs like this where I just want to make more money. It's like but why? Why do you want to make more money? Because making money is great, like that's fine, you can take care of your family more, you can buy nice things, you can go on trips, you can do that, and I understand it.

Speaker 1: 7:34

But there's also a reason why there's rich people who hate their lives. They're out of alignment, and that was. I loved how you put that, because that's even something that I'm walking into right now is getting an understanding of what is actually my purpose, because I have an innate feeling. I've had a lot of words prophesied over my life that I'm supposed to be in business, business, supposed to go to a certain scale, and I understand that, but that doesn't mean that everything I touch has to be that business. So for me is I want to understand is the business I'm doing, am I aligned, am I actually aligned with? Not just because we hear alignment especially if you work in corporate, you hear that too. It's like the line with core values and all that stuff. But it's like am I aligned with who I really am?

Speaker 1: 8:15

And it's very important something that you talk about. You got to understand who you are. Even in the Bible it talks about the two greatest commandments is to love the Lord, your God, with our heart, soul and mind, and the second one is to love others as you love yourself. But how can you love others correctly if you don't know how to love yourself, if you don't even know who you are? And so that is such a wild concept that we understand this in church but we don't take the time to actually diagnose and do the hard work and the hard work to actually understand who are we. Because if you can understand who you are now you can go love people the right way. Now you can go actually get real clients, you can build a real business where, just as you said that, you can build something that is in alignment with who you are.

Speaker 2: 8:54

That's right, 100% dude. And the reality is this when it comes to purpose, right, a lot of people can manufacture what life sounds good. If you were to say, hey, man, what do you exist to do? Like, what's your purpose? Like, that was the same way. You could ask me that four years ago and I could manufacture something that you'd be like oh that's cool, dude, that's sick. But if I was really honest with myself, I didn't really know. It was just people don't like being trapped with that question, and so they say something, right. So what I realized for me is I exist, I was created to produce champions, and champion means something to me and produce means something to me. It's my own definitions of the words, but here's what I learned is that your purpose is your opportunity filter.

Speaker 2: 9:41

If you don't know what your purpose is, you will say yes to things that make sense on paper, but they are out of alignment with your identity, and your purpose is only one part of your identity. But what happens for most people what happened to me is the reason I was miserable, even though my life on paper was pretty awesome is because, when it comes to your purpose, what you should be doing in every area of your life, whether you're serving in church, whether you're building a business or you're working for a business, everything you say yes to should be an expression of your purpose. And that's how I got to. That's how I went from a place of on paper having everything that people probably would want, to actually being in a place of peace where I actually sleep all night. It's easy for me to take a day off, because the other six days of the week I'm in alignment, I'm actually pouring out in the right ways, winning in all different areas and ways I hadn't experienced in the past. And because, ultimately, once I identified my purpose truly, what it was, what I was able to learn is, it became very easy of what to say yes to and what to say no to. Because when you say yes to things that are in alignment with your purpose, you don't get tired. Like the things that I do right now. I can continue doing. I don't get tired, I don't get worn out right.

Speaker 2: 10:57

The root word in the Greek of purpose is suffering. What are you willing to suffer for? Most people aren't doing what they're willing to suffer for. Most people are doing what could make them the most money, and the reality is, money's not big enough to suffer for. Yet most people are suffering for it, and so for me and everybody's different, but for me, producing champions is worth suffering for If I could do it for one person, or a million people, if I'm on a stage on a podcast or a one-on-one coffee conversation, doesn't make a difference. I'm on fire when I'm doing that, and if you identify what that is, what can happen is you can start saying no to things that are out of alignment with your purpose. Start saying yes to things that are in alignment with your purpose, and you'll find yourself with more energy than you've ever imagined in your life.

Speaker 1: 11:45

That's so amazing I've just talked to my wife about this is you have to learn the power of your no, and not just knowing things, but power of saying no, because if it's not and just the way that you broke that down about how to understand when those opportunities come are they actually supporting that purpose or are they taking away from it? And that's also for me that's where you can dive into deeper levels of discernment and actually praying and understanding if you are of faith. If you're not, then just getting an understanding in general about what your purpose is and finding ways to align opportunities with your purpose. And not everything that shimmers is gold, because there's been opportunities that have come towards my life that they look good and that's why I always just submit it, like when the opportunities come, I say, okay, lord, if this is for me, then let it be for me. If it's not for me, then dissolve this thing. And this is to everyone who is.

Speaker 1: 12:37

Maybe you're walking through a hard spot, not every time something goes wrong. It's actually not just for your, it's actually for your good, but figuring it out and aligning it with your purpose. I'd love to how you just put that, because that was perfect. So how did you find, over the course of all of these different the basically two different phone calls where, hey, your business is gone, and then, stepping into this, being the lead strategist and helping align with your purpose? How has faith played an integral part in your life?

Speaker 2: 13:06

Well, that's a good question. So I'm at a place now. So I grew up in church my whole life. I grew up in church and as soon as I was old enough to start making my own decisions quote unquote I ran from church. Pretty common story, right. I found that the reality is, church is the biggest deterrent of God that exists. And it's actually not church, it's people. People are the solution and they're also the problem, and I grew up in a church that you'd think God was retired. It was always like this is what God used to do, like this is you know as like I think your model's gone to the same church, huh.

Speaker 2: 13:46

Yeah, right, I know.

Speaker 2: 13:46

I think, those Americans have right. It's like Western Christianity is like dead. Basically, it feels like it felt like a museum of what God used to do before he retired or whatever, and it was just like the biggest thing that I saw man was like hypocrisy, religiosity, like it's just so ironic, because I grew up in and I was basically like, if this is who God is, I don't need him. And the reality is, most Christians so badly misrepresent God and they're the reason why most other people run away from it. Right, because we are usually the first representation. You're the first representation of Jesus that I'm gonna experience and if you misrepresent him, I could run the other direction. It doesn't mean that I'm screwed and well, no, I'll just have to meet someone who better represents. I mean, that's exactly what happened to me and that's someone who better represented him, who didn't force faith down my throat, who didn't. They weren't religious, they weren't hypocritical, they just did the Jesus style. They lived like Jesus lived and here's the key they were winning in life. You know what my experience was? Most Christians were broke, pathetic, sad, depressed, stuck in dysfunction and I was like dude. So God is retired because clearly he has no power to get you and deliver you from what you're in right. And it wasn't until I met a believer who actually walked in power, who actually walked in success. The byproducts of faith, the byproducts of true faith, is fruit. Jesus said you'll know a tree by its fruit right. A healthy tree produces fruit. And it took a successful leader in life, in marriage, in business, in finance, and someone who's actually very influential that I was gifted with a personal relationship with, to actually realize no, this is actually who God is, this is actually who Jesus is. And ultimately, what happened is and here's what I learned Okay, there is a gold thread that runs through all successful people, and I'm not directly answering your question, but I will answer your question. Okay, I'm just building the bridge Roll. Keep it going. So there's a gold thread that runs through all successful people.

Speaker 2: 16:03

What makes you successful more than anything else, is the way you see things, it's your perception. You see things in the marketplace that other people don't see. It is the greatest advantage, is the greatest reason why people are successful versus not successful. Your perception is not reality, it's just your reality. And so wealthy people see the world through a certain lens that other people do not. And here's what I learned is all of the most successful people in my life at that point all had one thing in common they had a fierce love for Jesus. And I started to realize if what makes you successful in life is the things you see in the marketplace that other people don't see, is it possible this is the question I asked Is it possible that they see something in Jesus that I don't? That's the question I asked.

Speaker 2: 16:53

And I came to a point where I said it seems very, very irresponsible for me not to know what my origin is and where I'm going and see, like dude. If it's aliens, I'm good with it. If it's Buddha, I don't care. If it's the universe, you know the trees and the bees, like whatever dude, I don't care what it is, and if it's Jesus, I don't care, I just want the truth. That's it. I just think it's irresponsible not to know and I went on this journey and because of this individual who wasn't religious, right, religion is.

Speaker 2: 17:27

When I say the church, I actually take it back. It's actually religion that drives people away from God. It's not the church, that people, it's religious people, it's religious churches. Religion is actually the enemy of God. People are like no, it's not. Yes, it is Religious people are who killed Jesus. It wasn't some serial killer or some evil, it was evil people, but it was religious. People killed Jesus. Religion is the enemy of God. It's at enmity with God. And so when I gave my life to Jesus, everything about my life changed. Everything about my life changed, my perception changed, the power I walked in changed and some people find this crazy, but, like at my church, I go to church called Awaken and we've got church in San Diego, boise and Salt Lake City and my church healing is normal. We see radical healings, weekly, weekly, cancer terminated. We see people coming out of wheelchairs Crazy stuff and people say, no, that only happens in Africa. No, doesn't only happen in Africa, it only happens where faith is present.

Speaker 2: 18:34

That's where it happens, and it happens throughout the time. But guess what? The same God that heals tumors, the same God that pulls people out of wheelchairs, the same God that heals blind eyes is the same God that corrects finances, that saves marriages, that returns kids back into the house of God. People limit God to just like healing or just like salvation, when salvation is the starting point, not the finished life. Amen, and so anyways. Everything about my life changed, dude. My finances changed, my marriage changed, my heart changed. That's the biggest thing. Everything flows from the heart, right. My vulnerability changed, my level of honesty changed, my level of success changed, my level of influence and the weight of my words changed. Because I aligned myself with the creator of all things. Everything changed.

Speaker 1: 19:25

Bro, yes, all of that. Now I'm fired up. I almost had to take my jacket off, but because I mean my story is so similar to that. I mean I grew up in a very religious church and I said it for years. I mean I grew up in church, I was a youth group leader, I mean I did all the things but I just never had a relationship. Wow, I would sit there and I would check all the boxes. I'd read the Bible front to back. I was studying the Bible and it was just dead words on the page to me, because I didn't know that God still existed. I'd never seen it happen in my life. I didn't believe in healings until like a year and a half ago. I mean it's not as if this is a old story from seven, eight years ago. It's been a journey, but when you realize that the God of the universe really does love you so much that he's willing to heal you, he's willing.

Speaker 1: 20:15

I remember I mean my wife is sitting right here. She messed up her ankle not too long ago. We went to church. We're in 21 days of prayer and fasting. It was less than a month ago. She could barely walk Like I had to help her get into the sanctuary. She sits down. One of our buddies comes over and he goes hey, I just saw you were limping in there, did you get hurt? And she says, yeah, I rolled my ankle. He puts his hand on her ankle, he prays over it. By the time he prays over it a couple of times, by the time service is over, she can walk. It's like I've seen it. I've watched him do it for my life.

Speaker 1: 20:44

When I quit my job and my wife turned on cause we go to transformation church here in Tulsa, oklahoma. When she turned on transformation church and I just heard the first sermon that she let me listen to, where they they had just had this miracle happen, where they got the arena, and I thought I need that. It was like I need whatever kind of faith he's got. It's like cause right now we just quit, we're out here living life on the edge. I need that. Sometimes they want to build their plan, they want to pray over and they want it to go exactly that way, it's like. But you don't need faith to make a plan. You need faith to take massive action and to walk in your purpose, cause you don't know every step of the way, you don't actually know what that fully means. You can only just walk where he tells you to, and that's why it's about obedience over a plan, because I had my plan. It says a man makes his plan, but the Lord orders the steps of the righteous.

Speaker 1: 21:29

But I had faith enough to believe that he told me to quit my job for a reason. I had that thing written down and I sat there in the floor crying and praying over this and saying God, you told me this. You told me to quit my job. You told me you were going to take care of my bills. You told me that this family was going to be submitted to you. You told me that we were going to have a successful business this way, you said. And sure enough, less than a month after that prayer, we had a business at that time went from zero to 5K profit, and then from 5K profit to being able to support underprivileged kids to 100K a month, to doing a million dollars in a year and helping over 170 underprivileged kids in two years, and then, even when he asked us to shut that one down in 2022, he has been a provider every step of the way and every client we brought on in every single moment and just my confidence has grown Because I don't put my confident hope in myself.

Speaker 1: 22:16

I put my confidence hope in him because I know who he is. I can trust in his character. There's times when my character could be a little shaky. There's times when we still flesh. So there's things that I will see, those things that I will do out of my flesh, that I know if I just lean on God, if I just listen to him, he never changes. He is the same and getting an understanding. That's why I said that in the beginning.

Speaker 1: 22:42

I actually said that even before we got on. It's like, in all things, get an understanding Because if you can just understand his character, then why would you worry? Jesus says to not worry. He literally says it Be anxious for nothing but instead pray about everything. It's why would we be anxious for anything when we could instead pray about it? But you're only gonna have that anxiety is only gonna leave if you can actually trust that person's character.

Speaker 1: 23:03

Like if I ordered DoorDash right now and I didn't trust that they would show up and I'm always checking in where they at. Well, I can't see it, but there's no. Now the app is down. Am I trusting that they're gonna show up with that food or not? Am I gonna drive to the restaurant and try to make it happen myself? Probably not. So why can we trust DoorDash driver to show up if we can't trust the God of the universe to show up? And I think that that's something that we need to, we as a culture, we with the people listening. If you can lean on his character, don't just lean on what he's done for you in the past and say, well, I just need another million bucks, I just need another business, I just need another thing. It's like no trust in the person. Don't trust in the resources he gives you. Trust in the source of the resources, and that'll change everything. It changed everything for my life and it sounds like it did the same thing for yours 100%.

Speaker 2: 23:44

It will never stop. You know. The reality is this man is that most believers, they worship disappointment more than they worship God. That's the truth, like, because, in the end of the day, like if I offend people, good, okay, I'm not on here to offend people, but I'm gonna say what's true, okay, and the truth cuts. Okay, I'm not on here to be offensive, I'm just on here to be honest. And the truth is find me a believer who doesn't believe in miracles, find me a believer who doesn't believe in, and what you'll find is that the root of it is disappointment. There was something in your past that you believe God to do. He didn't show up and, as a result, you lowered your faith to the level of experience in your life, as opposed to raising your faith to the level of your God.

Speaker 1: 24:37

Yes, sir, yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:39

The whole Bible is full of disappointment.

Speaker 1: 24:42

Yep.

Speaker 2: 24:42

But it's also full of people stepping out again in faith, believing again in faith, being obedient. Faith is a response to obedience. Obedience comes first, faith comes second. When your obedient faith rises and most people, like I'm telling you, dude, like I can tell you a story, Like my wife, we it's a whole.

Speaker 2: 25:03

I'm not going to give you the backstory, but long story short February of 2020, late January, actually, of 2020, my wife she was my fiance at the time and she had she said babe, can you feel this? And underneath her left breast and Christians are already triggered, they're, like you said, breast and she said can you touch this? Do you feel this? Oh, you touched her, Whatever, Anyways, and I put my hand on the underside of it and I could feel this growth, almost the size of a ping-pong ball. And, dude, I was terrified. I was like what are we going to do? And so, for like two or three weeks, we didn't tell anybody, we didn't go to the hospital, Because I'm not opposed to the Western medicine, I'm not opposed to the hospital, but what? But here's what I do know is that you want to feel negative going to the hospital, Okay. And so I was like I'm just not, we're not ready for that and so we didn't tell anybody because we're like, kind of paralyzed. They know what to do and my wife and I lead this marketplace ministry in our church that champions marketplace people and helps develop them and grow them and multiply them and what's in their hand, all that kind of stuff. And I was coming home from this, from this Pathfinder's Apprenticeship is what we call it this night on a Tuesday, and I just had this righteous anger, faith rise up on the inside of me, basically saying like we're not even married yet.

Speaker 2: 26:29

We're getting married basically like six weeks later, seven weeks later, and I had an opportunity. Okay, I had. It was crossroads and I had the opportunity to sit back and be like God why are you doing this to me? We fought all this way.

Speaker 2: 26:46

We're engaged, we're about to get married, about to start our life together, and now this happens and I could listen to the world and I could. I could let disappointment speak to me and speak fear to me and speak anxiety into me and speak doubt into me, and I could pull my, my faith down to my experience. Or I had the other route, where I could raise my expectation to the level of my God and I'm driving home just weeping, bro, but not weeping out of depression. I'm weeping out of passion, believing that my God is going to heal my wife. Tonight, not next week, not next month. Tonight, and declaring a thing right Not just, not just asking God to do something, but thanking God for the power to do something that Jesus told his disciples. He said it's important that I go to my father in heaven so I can send my helper on my behalf.

Speaker 1: 27:39

Yes.

Speaker 2: 27:40

The Holy Spirit and I'm thanking God for the power that he gave me to speak to a thing and have it be cast into the sea. If I had the faith, and I was thanking God for the faith, I was thanking for the power and I was declaring what I saw in my mind and what I saw in my mind was healing. And I came home. Well, I went to my wife's house we live in separate and I went to my wife's place and I walk in and she's watching Netflix and I pause your show. We're taking communion, we're worshiping and we're praying and we're going to do Jesus is going to deliver you from this tonight. And you know, look, miracles are messy, bro we didn't have those little communion emblems and grape juice cup. You know what we had is we had Ritz crackers and grapes. Okay, it looks religious. People are freaking out. No, you need the emblems. No, you don't. You don't, it's, it's, it's nothing about the anyway. So we take, we take our Ritz cracker, we break it in half, we take a grape as just just because communion is not a religious thing, but it's become a religious thing and it is. It's enforcing the blood of Jesus over the situation. It's enforcing his back. He gave his back so that we could experience healing. His prayer wasn't was it that kingdom come that will be done in heaven as it is in heaven? No, it's that kingdom come that will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And so we enforced the blood of Jesus in that place.

Speaker 2: 28:58

We took communion, we worshiped for 10 or 15 minutes, got to a place of just faith and I had her lay down on the couch. I put my hand where this growth was and I started praying. I started declaring in Jesus' name, I command you to come off my wife. In Jesus' name, I command you speak to every cell in her body. And we're just praying. And I can feel this thing, bro, and skeptics will skeptic. That's fine. I can feel this thing shrinking under my hand and I finished praying and still there, but it's way smaller and most Christians are like hallelujah, it's a God story. No, it's not a God story. Why? Cause it's not done yet.

Speaker 2: 29:31

Jesus said it is finished and so I told my wife, who was a new believer at the time, and I told her. I said you know, did you know in the Bible there was a time where Jesus actually had to pray twice for me. She said I don't know that and I said we're gonna go again, we're gonna finish the finished work of God, and started praying again, put my hand on her, started praying again, declaring the scene to leave shrinking, shrinking, gone To this day, never come back. Wow, it was the first time I had experienced a miracle through my hands. Yeah, jesus showed up through my and I've experienced some epic things from there.

Speaker 2: 30:06

Because our God is good, our God is kind, and he shows up on the behalf of faith. He doesn't show up on the behalf of need. Most Christians pray out of need, yep. And he doesn't show up. He shows up and responds to faith. Jesus says in the book of Revelation when I return, will I find faith? Faith doesn't mean do you believe in Him? It's not hard to believe in Him. It's so freaking obvious. He's real. What faith is isn't do you believe in me? What faith is? Do you believe that I can move through you? That's faith. That's faith.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Man. That story is insanely powerful because I want people to understand what happened. Like, what happened in that moment, was it? It was not a buildup of faith. You weren't like. You know, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna get motivated and then I'm just gonna pray for it. It was literally a moment of faith. On your drive home, you had a moment of faith. And that's what people miss is they think that they have to check all the boxes. You gotta read your Bible every morning. You gotta pray over the house, anoint the house with oil before anything can ever break out. It's like sometimes it just takes a moment of faith.

Speaker 1: 31:12

And you said a word that I've really been leaning into heavy this year. You said expectation. When you pray with an expectation, because there was times last year when there was a real physical need and I would sit there and I would pray, but I would cancel that prayer. In my mind it was like, well, it didn't happen last time, I prayed this, so it's not gonna happen this time. So there was no, not an expectation. So with you saying, when you showed up at her house and said, look, this is what we're doing, you showed up with an expectation that this thing was gonna change. And when you show up with an expectation, that's when I have seen prayers answered, that's, and I know that there's somebody that's about to get triggered hearing that. But just because you prayed doesn't mean it's gonna get answered.

Speaker 1: 31:49

Did you have the faith behind it? Did you have the expectancy behind it? Was there a hope behind it? Because if there's nothing behind it, then yes, he's gonna hear it, but he may not act on it. And that's the love of God, because he is so close to us. He's gonna hear everything you say. He's with us all the time. But like you said is when he comes back, will he find a people of faith? Will he find people who? It looks like?

Speaker 1: 32:11

Wait, is your God dead? I thought you said your God came back from the dead because there's nothing working in your life. Why would I want that? We've had this conversation Is why we want people's lives to change. That's why the name of the church is transformation church and not just changed. Where they got saved, it's like no. When you're walking in the world, can they tell that there's something different? When you were doing business and people become your client, do they tell that there's something different? Or are you the same as everyone else, are you? What do you lean on? The six other days of the week, instead of just Sundays, with you telling that story? It just, man. It gets me so fired up and I wanna just keep talking forever, but I know that you have a hard stop and I'm just so thankful for you being here. Man, honestly.

Speaker 2: 32:54

Yeah, man. Well, thanks for having me on, bro. It's always fun to connect with people who believe. And but more importantly, man, I think you know the late Billy Graham and I'll end on this is the late Billy Graham said the next great move of God will be in the marketplace. And what I love is I love believers, but I love marketplace believers because it takes a different kind of face to believe for miracles in finances, to believe for miracles in cash flow, to believe in miracles with employees, to believe in miracles for contracts.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Entrepreneurs are a special breed of people and it's interesting because if you look at a lot of the heroes of the faith, they were what we would consider today entrepreneurs, business owners. You know a lot of people think that the heroes of the faith were like broke pious. No, that's, religious speaking. Abraham had what? 30 over 30 servants. First of all, do you know who has servants? Wealthy people, okay, number one, okay, number one, but they all lived in his house. How big do you think this guy's house is? That he had 30 plus servants living with him, plus his wife. Like this dude was successful, bro. Like you can look at the heroes of the faith, most of them were extremely successful financially and, at the very least, did not have no limitation to resources.

Speaker 2: 34:12

And so I love business people, and some of my clients aren't Christians. I don't only work with Christians, I work with a lot of secular people too. But the other day, like I'm skeptical of businesses that only work with Christians, this is just my opinion. My opinion is, if the only people that you serve are Christians, you're using God to manipulate them. If you can't earn the business of a secular person who doesn't believe in God, I think there's manipulation happening there. And I'm gonna lose some people on that and that's okay. I'm not out here to earn business. It's just what I think. And so you know a lot of my clients are Christians and some of them aren't Christians.

Speaker 2: 34:51

But the other day, like we weren't called. Jesus didn't come to planet earth to hang out Christians. He came to hang out with the world and influence the world. And that's what we're called to do is go out into the world, not be of the world, but be in the world and influence the world. And most Christians isolate themselves to their churches, their four walls. Well, and we have an obligation, we have a duty, a responsibility as believers to win for God, because most of the people who are winning are handing the microphone over to the wicked right.

Speaker 2: 35:29

The church has advocated its responsibility in every major sphere of influence in finance and business, and arts and entertainment, media and government and education. They say, let us just play church over here and then the world can go to hell in a hand basket over there. That's not what we believe we're supposed to go into the world and effect change. And so I love business people. It's the people I spend most of my time with is business people, entrepreneurs, business leaders, top performers and producers. So thanks for having me on here, man. It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 35:57

Yeah, absolutely, daniel. This is incredible. Thank you again for being here. I will put all the links to your stuff down in the description. But more than anything, for the people listening, I want you to understand something I said, and I don't know why even religious people, they read Proverbs, but you don't realize that the man writing Proverbs was the richest man to ever live, according to the Bible. But how are we, as Christians, supposed to be? We're just supposed to be broken, homeless, and that shows that we're holy, it's like, but Solomon.

Speaker 2: 36:25

Not backed up anywhere in the Bible by the way.

Speaker 1: 36:27

Yeah, there's no way, it's like, but wait, hold on. Jesus had Judas as his treasurer. You don't have a treasurer unless you're making money.

Speaker 2: 36:37

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey.

Speaker 1: 36:42

Maybe it was just my translation, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2: 36:44

You're on it, dude. You're on it right now.

Speaker 1: 36:47

All right, man. Hey, I appreciate you. Thank you again for being here for everyone listening. Thank you for joining us and I'll see you in the next episode. Bye, guys.